Thank you so much for the speedy reply, Len!
I haven't yet checked that my mother has received snaps of your message mentioning David Morgan Phillips and my message to you! I'll tell her about our correspondence tomorrow & I think she'll be thrilled that her uncle is being mentioned today, as his name had been on the lips of her bereft parents and aunt a decade after his death, when she was a very small toddler. I'm the eldest child of the eldest niece, so I have the honour of sharing his name.
A couple of years ago I made the pilgrimage on behalf of my mum, to leave some flowers and a large, plastic poppy, with a message across time that he won't be forgotten. Mum seemed to think that DMP's letters home in 1916 placed him in the Delville Wood area for the first time. I did a bit of research about where exactly he would have been on 27/8/1918, too, and where the lines were. I believe that they had pushed into the tree stumped, muddy hell hole that remained of the wood on 26th August & the Germans had moved back to a position opposite the NW corner of the wood, by the road that is slightly more elevated and would have been a sensible placement for sniping and machine gun emplacements. Anyone scouting near the edge of the wood, the morning after the push, would have been dreadfully exposed to enemy fire.
I'm hoping to persuade a couple of my relatives to make another journey later this summer, to be there exactly a hundred years on. It would be nice to persuade a couple of my Swansea cousins to be there with me & a nephew who lives in Cheshire, where Mum now lives. He's called Thomas David, and I'm a bit more motivated than other sibling sisters to explain where the David comes from: we're here today, because he gave his tomorrows & I think the very least is that we take time to reflect properly?
I'll be in touch again, after speaking with my mum, to see if she'd like to contribute any info that she & Jean might have. I'm not sure if they have the picture which was in the paper & should be very grateful if you might email a snap of it, please?
Thanks again & best wishes, David Armstrong
My great uncles, Richard and William Williams are mentioned above
Thanks for the information David.
One year from today on 18th September 2014 it will be 100 years since the first of the known Morriston fallen in the Great War, Thomas John Thomas was killed in action ,aged 27 . He was a private in the 2nd Welsh Regiment (6100) and has no known grave but he is listed on the La Ferte-Sous-Jouarre Memorial in the Marne area of France. But he is not listed on the Morriston Park Memorial. He was born in Morriston but by 1914 he lived in Blaenrhondda where he was a coal miner haulier.
The Park Memorial lists on its panels 221 names of those who fell in the Great War ( as well as panels for WW2 casualties and one from a more recent conflict, I believe) but not all of those who were born or lived in Morriston ( including Llangyfelach and Clase) and who died in the Great War are commemorated. In public records about the War there are over 35 Morriston men who died but who are not listed on the Park Memorial, Thomas John Thomas being one.
Another contributor to the Morriston Forum, Dursley Hanford, has informed that the Park Memorial was not inaugurated until the 1930s. So depending on how the names of those to be listed were collected, it is possible that, after 10 /15 years, the families of those not listed had either died , were no longer living in Morriston or were not aware of the plans for the memorial .
There are other memorials in Morriston churches and chapels, the one in St David’s Churches in particular, and it may well be that some of these men are listed on those memorials.
No other Morriston men are known to have fallen during the War on 18 September until 1918 when three, Privates Wilfred George Uren, David Williams Thomas and W Harris fell in the same battle - the futile attempt to take the Bulgarian Army fortifications at Dojran Lake in what is now known as Macedonia. The three of them have no known grave and are commemorated on the Doiran Memorial. Only Privates Thomas and Harris are listed on the Park Memorial.
According to records Privates Uren and Harris served with 11th Welsh Regiment and Private Thomas was with the 11th Royal Welsh Fusiliers. Wilfred Uren, 21, had been born in Morriston but had moved away and was a clerk in a Laundry in Port Talbot. David Thomas, 29, lived with his wife Elizabeth at 4 Davies Terrace Pentremalwed. Harris’ first name and age are unknown, but he had lived at 99 Wychtree St with his parents Thomas and Catherine.
99 years ago yesterday on 18 October 1914 another non Morriston Park Memorial listed man who was born in Morriston was killed .
He was Lance Corporal Robert Massey,who was killed in action during the Battle of Bassee in France. He has no known grave but he is commemorated on the Le Touret Memorial to the Missing.
Next Friday 25 October it will be 99 years since the death of the first Memorial Listed soldier, Frederick Wyatt. Wyatt was a Lance Corporal in the Royal Fusiliers (4th) and he too was killed in action, retaking some lost trenches at Neuve Chappelle, during the Battle of Bassee.
He had lived at 19 Avon Terrace on Wychtree Street with his wife Gertrude. His grave is in the Canadian No 2 Cemetery on Vimy Ridge having been transferred there after the War from a more local but temporary grave in Neuve Chappelle.
Only two of the known fallen were killed in action on 11 November. They were William Frederick Harris in 1916 and Leyton Davies in 1917.
Corporal Harris was 27 and in the Rifle Brigade. He has no known grave and is listed on the Thiepval Memorial in the Somme. He lodged in Fisher Street.
Private Davies was in the 6th Welsh Regiment, which was a territorial battalion at the outbreak of the war. He is buried in the White House Cemetery near Ypres. He was only 20 when he died and was the son of Samuel and Elizabeth Davies.
...At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remember them.
There were very few casualties around the Christmas period when hostilities tended to reduce considerably ,particularly in the first year of the War with the well known incident when incredibly both sides met in no man's land for a Christmas Armistice.
But on 21 December 1914 ,Private George Charles Clarke was killed in action defending the Givency trenches in the La Basse area of France.
He had lived in Morriston prior to the War and was serving with the 2nd Welsh Regiment and he is buried in Le Touret.
He was the last of the four Morriston men known to have died in 1914.
The first two deaths in 1915 were Privates Archibold James Schofield ( 8th January)and David John Ware( 17th January) of the Welsh 2nd and 6th SWB respectively . Both died from illness or accident while still in English barracks. Schofield was a soldier before the War begun, and is buried in Portsmouth, he was 32. Ware was 29 and lived in the Caemawr area, his parents were John & Jane Ware and he is buried in Bournemouth.
Not all of those who served in the Great War were killed in action or died from their wounds. Many died because of accident or illness. If they did so it was likely that they would not only be buried in the UK but possibly in their home town.
According to Commonwealth Graves Commission records, six men from Morriston who served and died during the war were buried in graveyards in Morriston.
The first of these is Driver Trevor Joseph who died on 17 February 1915; he was buried in Seion Welsh Baptist Chapelyard. He served with the Royal Engineers 20th Signals.
Others buried later in the Chapel yard were Driver Thomas Smith Morgan and Trimmer Thomas John Jones.
Private David Brindley James was buried in Swansea (Morriston) Cemetery;and
Private David Watkin and Private BDR Davies who were buried in Horeb Congregational Chapel yard.
Their headstones would be made from the usual Portland Stone and maintained by the CWGC. I wonder if these graves can still be seen , I guess much has changed in these places over the years since .
I only have photographs of the panels on the Memorial and know the memorial was built in the 1930s.
Does anyone know if the panels include WW2 casualties too or do they just list the WW1 fallen.
Although his Morriston credentials look uncertain Private David Thomas of the
14th Welsh Regiment is the next listed to have died ;probably while still in Swansea as the Swansea Pals were still in training then. He is buried in Cwmgelli Cemetery having died on 27 March 1915.
Thank you Anne
Yes the alternative spelling is possible but the CWGC and Soldiers record uses the "Leyton" version , they are not beyond errors!
The Cenotaph at St Helen's is listed in battalion order so if L Davies is listed under the Welsh Regiment 6th it is likely to be him.
I believe there is project going on to provide details of all those on the Cenotaph too, so you may be able to cross reference when it is published.
That is very helpful, thank you. Do you have any idea where I could find out about the Cenotaph project? Thanks.
You could enquire at the West Glamorgan archives in the Swansea Library Anne.
36-year-old Private J Thomas was killed in action on 1 September 1918. He served with the 2nd Royal Welsh Fusiliers and had lived in Dongloyd Cottage Pantlasse and was the son of Thomas and Jane He is buried in Sailly Saillisel Cemetery but is not included on the Park Memorial.
Hayden Powell John reported as falling last month was in fact to fall on 2 September.
Grenville Thomas, 19, died of wounds while serving as a Private in the Machine Gun Corps on 5 September He is buried in Lebuquere Communal Cemetery and was the son of William and Catherine.
Private Ebenezer Williams died of wounds on 7 September serving with Welsh 14th Battalion He is buried in St Sever Extension. He was 31 years old and had lived at 15 Nixon Terrace with parents John and Elizabeth
On 9 September David John Jones died of wounds while serving as a Private with the 6th Welsh Regiment He is buried in Etaples Military.#
Benjamin Edwards of 141 Chemical Road was killed in action on 10th September another serving with the Welsh 14th as a Private. He was the son Mr & Mrs David and is listed on the Vis en Artois Memorial.
Private W Harris, 26, was killed in action during the charge by 11th Welsh on the Bulgarian Army fortifications at Doiran Lake on 18 September He is listed on the Doiran Memorial and was the son John and Catherine.
Another listed on the Doiran Memorial and killed in action during the same charge was David William Thomas a 29-year-old Private in the 11th Royal Welsh Fusiliers. He was the son of Hannah and had been a Grocers Assistant and had lived 4 Davies Terrace Pentremalwed.
A third Morriston man to fall in the same action was Wilfred George Uren aged 22 and a Private in Welsh 11th. Born in Morriston the son of William Edward and Mathilda and he too is listed on the Doiran Memorial.
Daniel Davies, 24, was also killed in action at Dorian but on the 19th September. He was a Corporal in 9th East Lancs 9 and listed on the Dorian Memorial. He had lived at 586 Neath Road and was the son of Helen and the late John
39-year-old Ernest Frederick Booty died on 20 September. A Gunner Labour Corps he is buried in Terlincthun British Cemetery. He had been a bricklayer and had lived with wife Margaret in Midland Terrace
JTD Powell fell on 26th September
The final September death known about was that of William Davies a Private in the King’s Own Liverpool 4th on 29th. He is not listed on the Park Memorial.
There would be now 6 weeks to Armistice Day and another 16 Morriston men are known yet to fall before the war was over.
Thanks for your suggestion to visit the archive office in Swansea. Not possible at the moment as have left Swansea. I have found the information online at roll-of-honour.com and follow links for Glamorgan and Swansea.
October 1918 was to be the last full month of the Great War and would prove to have one of the highest monthly casualty rates with 14 Morriston men known to have fallen. Some of the deaths would have been due to Influenza which was prevalent on the Western Front and home by then.
Gunner William Jones of the Royal Field Artillery 119th Brigade was the first of the 14 on the 1st October, son of Evan and Ann he lived at 10 Aran St.
Another William Jones who was a Private in the 1st Welsh Regiment died on 7th October He is buried in Mikra Cemetery.
J Parsons who lived with his wife Mrs J A at Old Kings Head Inn and is believed to have served with the Welsh Regiment, died on 8th October, age 30.
Morriston born 29-year-old Private John Stuart Lewis who is buried in Oystermouth died on 14th October. He had served with the 7th Welsh Regiment and was the son of Lewis.
William Bernard Williams was a Lieutenant in the 14th Welsh Regiment when he was killed in action on 20th October. The 29-year-old had lived at 51 Martin St and was the son of Henry and Sarah and was employed as a draughtsman in the Steel and Tinplate Works. He is buried in Montay Neuvilly Road Cemetery.
Private Trevor John was 21 years old when he died of wounds on 21st October. He was serving in the 6th Machine Gun Corps and is buried in Mont Huon. He had lived at 16 Tan y lan and was the son of David & Mary
William Roberts was a 28-year-old Private in the 5th Royal Irish Fusilier when he was killed in action on 21st October. He is buried in Highland Le Cateau. The son of John and Sarah Jane he had lived at 9 Chemical Road.
Also buried in Highland Le Cateau is Francis Leo Clancy. The 22-year-old was killed in action on 23rd October while serving as a Private with 2nd Welsh and had lived at 24 The Common Plasma. He was the son of William and Margaret.
A second death on 23rd October was 39-year-old Corporal L Edwards serving with Welsh 6th
Private Sidney Rees of 113 Graig Road also died om 23rd October while serving with 2nd Welsh. He is not listed on the Park Memorial
David Brinley Thomas a Serjeant in the 6th Royal Warwickshire Regiment was killed in action on 24th October the 35-year-old is buried in Crucifix Cemetery and had lived at 33 Pentrepoeth Road with parents John and Catherine
20-year-old William George Parton, a Private in 17th Lancashire Fusiliers was killed in action on 27th October He had lived at 905 Neath Road and was the son of George and Beatrice. He is buried in Vichte Cemetery.
With less than two weeks of the war to go Sidney William Jenkins died on 31st October aged 27. He had been born in Morriston was serving in 820th Mechanical Transport Company of the Army Service Corps.He was the son of John and Elizabeth and is buried in Mikra Cemetery
Three Morriston men are known to have died in the last week of the War.
Thomas John Jones died on 3rd November, while training as a Trimmer on HMS Victory in the Royal Naval Division. He was the husband of Margaret Ann had lived at 8 Temple Terrace and is buried in Seion Chapel.
The next day Private William Davies, died. He was serving with the 14th Welsh Regiment. He is not listed on the Park Memorial. He had lived with wife Esther at 109 Woodfield St.
25-year-old Francis Aubrey Jenkins was the last known Morriston man to be killed in action and he died on 5th November having served with the Royal Field Artillery 75th Brigade C Battery as a Signaller. He had lived at 35 Bath Road, and was a Steelworker, but now is buried in Crossroads Cemetery. He was a relative of Phillip Jones the first Morriston man to be killed in action on the second day of action in Mons on 24 September 1914.
The last known Morriston man to die before the Armistice was Thomas Rees a Driver with Royal Field Artillery a Battery 173rd Brigade on 9 November. He was from 32 Midlands Terrace son of Mary Ann and is buried in Y Farm Military Cemetery in. Prior to the war he had been a part of “Batt and Bill”, a music hall act in Swansea. He died of pneumonia.
That concludes the details of those known to have fallen by the time of the Armistice in 1918.
On the 16th Private David John Evans,35, died in hospital from wounds received when involved in the final actions of the Welsh 14th Regiment before the war ended. He had lived in Llansamlet and was the son of David and Margaret. He is buried in Mont Huon Le Trepot Cemetery.
He would be the first of several who would die because of wounds sustained during the War.
The Commonwealth Graves Commission records were to remain open until August 1921.
Between the end of the War and the listings for the Park Memorial seven years later some families may have left the Morriston area and others may have moved in. The latter may have had relatives who were casualties of the war and were therefore able to get them included on the Morriston Memorial; whilst the former was no longer around, or were aware of the memorial, to be able include their relatives when the call was made by the Memorial Committee and are therefore not listed.
So, 236 men are listed on the Memorial of which the details of 35 are not yet found ,or are uncertain. But 33 have been found who are not listed but who have a familial, military or occupational link to Morriston.
By the time of the 100th anniversary of the end of the Great War next year it is hoped that more of those listed, but who have not yet been identified in research, will be confirmed by the records and may be more linked but not listed found.
Hopefully too a way can be found for those Morriston fallen not listed on the Memorial to be suitably honoured, too.
Those who had served during the War continued to die from its effects long after, some even continued to serve and died in service. Among those listed on the Memorial whose deaths occurred after 1918 were:
Driver Thomas Howells died of wounds on 17 February 1919 after serving with 180th Labour Company of the Royal Army Service Corps at 43 years of age. He was the son of John and Lettice of 7 Green Street. He had been a member of the Philadelphia Chapel. He is buried in Mons(Bergen) Communal Cemetery Belgium.
Private T.J Evans (182177) died after the end of the war on 14 August 1920 while serving with the 6th Light Armoured Battery in Iraq. Previously he had been a Private in the 14th Welsh regiment until 16 November 1918. He was the son of William and Jane of 8 Graig Terrace. He is buried in Baghdad North Gate Cemetery.
Stoker (First Class) George Gambold had served on HMS Princess Royal /Columbine before he died on 18 January 1921 at 25 years age. He was the son of James and Anne Maria of Maesygwernen Road, Pantlasse. Prior to enlisting he was employed as an Errand Boy.
This thread begun with ban appeal for information about those listed, whose information had not been found at that time. Since then many have been found but the following 22 have remained elusive.
Please message me if anyone knows who they might be.
H Brazell (not Hadyn)
W T Harris
S Jones ( not Samuel DCM)
T J Lewis
T W Morris
W H Powell
T D Thomas
Some progress has been made with the unfounds including finding some first names so we have
13 H Brazell possibly William died in 1919
81 Harris WT
96 James T
117 Jones S possibly Sephaniah of Clydach
120Joseph G. George
121Joseph J. Possibly Joseph
126 Lewis I. Idwal
143 Morgan D
153 Palmer H. Possibly Hubert
163 Powell E
166 Powell W H
169 Prior C. Charles
186 Ryan T
190 Thomas A. Abraham
206 Thomas DG
205 Thomas W
235 Yaverland F. Frederick
Anyone having more information on any of these names is welcome to contact me.
A Facebook page called “Morriston Remembers “ has been launched for remembrance and sharing about those who fell in all conflicts.
In 1918 100 years ago last weekend the Great War entered its last 100 days and several Morriston men were to fall before the Armistice was to be called. 90 years ago today those responsible for building the Park Memorial had just 100 days to get it ready for its inauguration .
Finally it has gone to the printers. In a few weeks a book titled “ Morriston- It did its bit” , authored jointly by myself and Philippa Grove ,will be availlable. It has turned some of the content of this thread ,but with much more about Morriston in the Great War and its Park War Memorial , into a publication for release before the 100th anniversary of the ending of the conflict. It will be published by the Friends of Morriston Park and proceeds from its sale will be used to help fund the work they do in maintaining the Memorial and surroundings. More information about where to purchase the book will follow
Great news, Len. Will you be able to post copies to those who do not live locally? Anne
The publishers of "Morriston It did its bit" the Friends of Morriston Park have decided the book will be on sale following the 90th anniversary of the Memorial's inauguration on 15th November so as not to detract from the Poppy Appeal fundraising for the 100th anniversary of the Armistice.
Information about it will be appearing around Morriston in the coming days as well as details of how to pre-order. The book goes beyond what has appeared in this thread over the past few years and adds historical knowledge of the "town" at the time and how it achieved its Memorial. A fitting conclusion to this thread.
I have added my e mail address to this post so anyone wanting information about pre ordering can contact me via it.