I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, [which] shall never hold their peace day or night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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With all respect to the Jews please dont raise your race above others (all men are sinners)
Shalom,
Paul said there are no more Jews or gentiles :
Galatia 3 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Bible study : To bless Israel, nation shall be blessed, to curse be cursed, is this Biblical
I'm not anti Semite and i fully support Netanyahu fighting all radical enemies of Israel. What i would like to discuss, is this christians' opinion really Biblical ?
They based their theory on the following verses :
Genesis 123 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
But at that time Elohim bless Abraham the word ISRAEL did not even exist yet. Israel was the name given to Abraham's grandchildren, Jacob, who was still far away from being birthed.
And ISRAEL as a nation was still very far from existence at that time, ISRAEL as a nation multiplied in EGYPT hundred years later after the great grandchildren of Abraham {the 12 patriarchs} lived in Egypt and multiplied for 430 years there.
At the time Elohim bless Israel, Abraham did not even have any children. You cannot bless the nation that did not exist.
Further, the verse only showed two persons interacting :
Which was Elohim blessed Abraham, no others involved
CHURCHES ALSO BASED THAT THEORY ON THE VERSE THAT ISAAC BLESSING JACOB.
Gen 27 29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.
The verse only shows two persons interacting :
Which was Isaac blessing Jacob, no others involved
Isaac did not bless the nation that not yet existed.
The name of ISRAEL was not even known at that time, it was given many years later to Jacob by Elohim
THE CHURCH ALSO QUOTED THAT BALAAM HAS BLESSED ISRAEL.
Thats true but Balaam only blessed the Hebrew that lived 3500 years ago in the dessert, and Balaam did not know modern Israel of 1948 and did not bless the present modern Israel either.
Jude 1:11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit,
WHAT IS EXACTLY THAT BLESSINGS FROM GOD THRU ABRAHAM ?
Gen 12:3.....and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
THIS IS THE BLESSINGS OF ABRAHAM ;
Galatia 3:14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
THE BLESSINGS OF ABRAHAM IS GOSPEL SALVATION OF JESUS CHRIST THAT WE MAY RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PENTECOSTAL BAPTISM.
ITS NOT THE SECULAR BLESSINGS THAT MAKE YOUR HOUSEHOLDS OR YOUR NATION BECOMING RICH WITH MONEY AND SECURITY. WHICH MANY EXPECT SO.
The people / nation that do not believe in Christ like modern Israel are not counted as Abraham's seeds :
Gal 3 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
JOHN THE BAPTIST REBUKED THE HEBREW WHO OFTEN RAISED THEMSELVES AS THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM :
Matt 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
HOW COME BLESSINGS THE GENERATION OF VIPERS SHALL BE BLESSED BY GOD ?
Matt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, “O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
ISRAEL HAD REJECTED GOD AS THEIR KING SO HOW COME GOD WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS THEM ?
2 Samuel 8:6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.
WILL GOD BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS A REBELLIOUS NATION TO THIS VERY DAY (2025) THEY STILL DONT BELIEVE IN CHRIST AS THE MESSIAH.
Ezekiel 2:3 He said: “Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious nation that has rebelled against me; they and their ancestors have been in revolt against me to this very day.
THIS VERSE OF ABRAHAM BLESSINGS CLEARLY EXPLAIN THAT THE SEED OF ABRAHAM ACTUALLY REFER TO ONE PERSON WHO IS CHRIST, AND NOT REFERRING TO MANY PEOPLE (THE JEWS)
Gal 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed, meaning one person, who is Christ.
CONCLUSION :
If you believe what Paul said there are no more jews or gentiles, that means there are no more black or white or yellow or a special race but we are all one in Christ Jesus..
Re: Blessings verses are manipulated into giving money
The jews made that up to justify their own means.
Why would God choose some rinky-dink country in the middle of nowhere and elevate them above everyone else, and be OK with murder, rape, genocide, slavery for his namesake?
I'm convinced that all the world's religions are of human origin created by secret societies to control the masses. They are all incredibly fear-driven and have political agendas tied to them.
Re: Blessings verses are manipulated into giving money
Thanks for the reply Ano
You don't know i have been banned in many christian forums for posting this topic. Many people gnashing their teeth and accuse me of most anti Jews hatred. Feel free to ban me.
I don't write to please people or asking donation from christians.
I'd rather die.